Strike Freedom VS Wing Zero Custom

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PuroKishi wrote:

So, based on your explanations and with regards to mine, Kira, a coordinator, who is genetically enhanced human being, which can have a number of enhanced traits including faster learning, and stronger and faster bodies that are virtually immune to diseases. And you're saying, he has enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human. So in a sense, you can say he's obviously greater than a Human, so what do you call that? Superhuman

I don't mean no harm. That was just a joke XD

Back to Topic.

I'm practically Biased on this. SF for me XD

From my Gunpla, I like SF-FBM than my WGZ XD

I like cool weaponry though the TBR is quite a Badass, but I have a thing with Dragoons/Funnels so yeah :D

Kidding aside, with the Zero system, I think WGZ has an edge in dodging. But how about attacking? TBR? Vulcans? or Beam Sabers? If Kira is in SEED Mode, he can easily dodge attacks also. With the help of his dragoons, he can fire endlessly. Though it's practically the same with the TBR. Both armaments are deadly. So I think the turning point of the match is the Battle Length itself. With SF's Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor, it can fly endlessly throughout space. Plus we know the ZERO system can have some side effects too. If WGZ can manage to Pawn SF before he runs out of juice then great. But if not. ....

Nah dood it's cool haha, I have a sense of humor, no need to be so reserved XD

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I guess we have different views regarding superhumans but that's fine..batman, lebron, jon jones, usain bolt, michael phelps all are on the peak of human conditioning but they are still humans. Above average but still human. Coordinators are no different, they have above average traits but they are still human to me. Maybe Newtypes can be considered superhuman, but I said before that I don't consider Kira a newtype so he doesn't fall in the superhuman category.

Now onto WZ and SF. First of all, yes Kira can dodge attacks but Shinn did manage to find a pattern in Kira's movements. I find it hard to believe that Heero, with the help of the Zero system no less, could not determine and exploit those same patterns. Kira in Seed mode is not untouchable against an Ace pilot. Athrun proved it. Rau proved it. Shinn and Rey proved it. Second, this is just a theory on my part but I think the weapons in the After Colony verse are superior than those in the Cosmic Era verse. Take the beam sabers for example. The strongest beam saber in AC verse belongs to Epyon hands down but it cannot even cleave through wing zero's shield, but it is made of gundanium so that is understandable. But it did split the Space Fortress Barge in half in one swing so that shows it's power. In the CE verse however, their beam sabers are quite pathetic from what I can recall, it took 5+ minutes of whacking to free the Kusanagi from some cable and it was just a single cut. And the dragoons can't fire endlessly, they need to re-dock to recharge power. And I don't think those puny Dragoons will pierce the gundanium so no worries there, those will just serve as distractions which can be easily eliminated via zero system. Third, yes SF has an endless power supply but it is still possible for the suit to drain power faster than the reactor can replenish especially with Kira spamming all the time. The TBR also cannot fire endlessly but it has a seperate power supply from WZ so WZ does not have to worry about allocating power to the TBR. Lastly, Heero and Zechs mastered the Zero system so those side effects like overloading and hallucination won't manifest anymore.

P.S.
Does anybody know if the Dragoon system in CE follows the same principle the funnels in UC do, wherein they are not usable in places with gravity? And please somebody answer my first question if SF is indeed in a stationary position when using Full Burst.

Squallgrieve wrote:

PuroKishi wrote:

So, based on your explanations and with regards to mine, Kira, a coordinator, who is genetically enhanced human being, which can have a number of enhanced traits including faster learning, and stronger and faster bodies that are virtually immune to diseases. And you're saying, he has enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human. So in a sense, you can say he's obviously greater than a Human, so what do you call that? Superhuman

I don't mean no harm. That was just a joke XD

Back to Topic.

I'm practically Biased on this. SF for me XD

From my Gunpla, I like SF-FBM than my WGZ XD

I like cool weaponry though the TBR is quite a Badass, but I have a thing with Dragoons/Funnels so yeah :D

Kidding aside, with the Zero system, I think WGZ has an edge in dodging. But how about attacking? TBR? Vulcans? or Beam Sabers? If Kira is in SEED Mode, he can easily dodge attacks also. With the help of his dragoons, he can fire endlessly. Though it's practically the same with the TBR. Both armaments are deadly. So I think the turning point of the match is the Battle Length itself. With SF's Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor, it can fly endlessly throughout space. Plus we know the ZERO system can have some side effects too. If WGZ can manage to Pawn SF before he runs out of juice then great. But if not. ....

Nah dood it's cool haha, I have a sense of humor, no need to be so reserved XD

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I guess we have different views regarding superhumans but that's fine..batman, lebron, jon jones, usain bolt, michael phelps all are on the peak of human conditioning but they are still humans. Above average but still human. Coordinators are no different, they have above average traits but they are still human to me. Maybe Newtypes can be considered superhuman, but I said before that I don't consider Kira a newtype so he doesn't fall in the superhuman category.

Now onto WZ and SF. First of all, yes Kira can dodge attacks but Shinn did manage to find a pattern in Kira's movements. I find it hard to believe that Heero, with the help of the Zero system no less, could not determine and exploit those same patterns. Kira in Seed mode is not untouchable against an Ace pilot. Athrun proved it. Rau proved it. Shinn and Rey proved it. Second, this is just a theory on my part but I think the weapons in the After Colony verse are superior than those in the Cosmic Era verse. Take the beam sabers for example. The strongest beam saber in AC verse belongs to Epyon hands down but it cannot even cleave through wing zero's shield, but it is made of gundanium so that is understandable. But it did split the Space Fortress Barge in half in one swing so that shows it's power. In the CE verse however, their beam sabers are quite pathetic from what I can recall, it took 5+ minutes of whacking to free the Kusanagi from some cable and it was just a single cut. And the dragoons can't fire endlessly, they need to re-dock to recharge power. And I don't think those puny Dragoons will pierce the gundanium so no worries there, those will just serve as distractions which can be easily eliminated via zero system. Third, yes SF has an endless power supply but it is still possible for the suit to drain power faster than the reactor can replenish especially with Kira spamming all the time. The TBR also cannot fire endlessly but it has a seperate power supply from WZ so WZ does not have to worry about allocating power to the TBR. Lastly, Heero and Zechs mastered the Zero system so those side effects like overloading and hallucination won't manifest anymore.

P.S.
Does anybody know if the Dragoon system in CE follows the same principle the funnels in UC do, wherein they are not usable in places with gravity? And please somebody answer my first question if SF is indeed in a stationary position when using Full Burst.

hm... I think so too. Actually I don't like Kira at all. I'm an Athrun Fan. I like IJ better than SF. XD

If Athrun was the Ultimate Coordinator, it would be better LOL. As for the Power supply of SF. In theory it's supposedly infinite. No matter how much juice he use. Cause the principle is, Mobile suit gets energy->Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Releases energy for use-> Energy released will be again processed into energy again via Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Energy gets back to the Mobile Suit. So it's actually endless no matter how much Energy used. It's like Nuclear Fission and Fusion at the same time. So Energy used will be converted back instantly to the supply. And with Regards to the Dragoon system, I'm not quite sure. But Kira did actually used it in space where there is no gravity. And with regards to the Beam sabers, they actually have weak sabers in the C.R. But what if Kira has access with the METEOR Unit? It can freaking cut anything, Though the MS will slow down, he can just dismantle it when not needed. Plus with the Full Burst mode, I simultaneously but only in a forward directions IF using Freedom. But with the Strike Freedom with the enhanced Dragoon System, he can now fire in all directions. He can also move freely with that. I personally do not know about Fin funnels exactly, but from what I read, it's quite similar cause it's used as the Dragoon System too. I think they operate the same. That Pilots can completely control is as they please.

PuroKishi wrote:

hm... I think so too. Actually I don't like Kira at all. I'm an Athrun Fan. I like IJ better than SF. XD

If Athrun was the Ultimate Coordinator, it would be better LOL. As for the Power supply of SF. In theory it's supposedly infinite. No matter how much juice he use. Cause the principle is, Mobile suit gets energy->Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Releases energy for use-> Energy released will be again processed into energy again via Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Energy gets back to the Mobile Suit. So it's actually endless no matter how much Energy used. It's like Nuclear Fission and Fusion at the same time. So Energy used will be converted back instantly to the supply. And with Regards to the Dragoon system, I'm not quite sure. But Kira did actually used it in space where there is no gravity. And with regards to the Beam sabers, they actually have weak sabers in the C.R. But what if Kira has access with the METEOR Unit? It can freaking cut anything, Though the MS will slow down, he can just dismantle it when not needed. Plus with the Full Burst mode, I simultaneously but only in a forward directions IF using Freedom. But with the Strike Freedom with the enhanced Dragoon System, he can now fire in all directions. He can also move freely with that. I personally do not know about Fin funnels exactly, but from what I read, it's quite similar cause it's used as the Dragoon System too. I think they operate the same. That Pilots can completely control is as they please.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed-destiny/zgmf-x20a.htm

It is indeed infinite in theory but if you are too trigger happy, the reactor cannot replenish the energy fast enough to cope and although just for a little while, the suit will lose power. About Athrun, yep I agree, he is more tolerable than Kira and is a better pilot in my opinion (never lost a battle when in Seed mode). Plus he never became retarded when his suit got an upgrade like Kira. It didn't even occur to Kira to destroy the Forbidden's beam reflectors with his beam sabers (which is exactly what Athrun did) and instead chose to spam beams again, pointlessly. There is a part of me that always thought that Athrun was holding back the whole time he was in Aegis fighting Kira.

I know the dragoons can be used in space, because there is no gravity. But what about at earth? If they do indeed follow the same concept as funnels, it cannot be used on earth or any place with gravity so it presents another problem if WZ and SF did fight on earth. Now with the METEOR, while it is true that the METEOR grants the SF an extraordinary boost in power, it does make it painfully slow and it makes the SF a big-ass target so the argument that Heero will never hit Kira with a fully charged TBR goes out the window. If Kira wants to last, he will stick with the more nimble SF and avoid docking with METEOR. And the funnels don't operate the same way the dragoons do. The funnels are controlled by thought so only newtypes can use them. Dragoons were developed so that non-newtypes who lack spatial awareness can use the funnel technology.

Thanks for the answering my question by the way  

Squallgrieve wrote:

PuroKishi wrote:

hm... I think so too. Actually I don't like Kira at all. I'm an Athrun Fan. I like IJ better than SF. XD

If Athrun was the Ultimate Coordinator, it would be better LOL. As for the Power supply of SF. In theory it's supposedly infinite. No matter how much juice he use. Cause the principle is, Mobile suit gets energy->Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Releases energy for use-> Energy released will be again processed into energy again via Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor-> Energy gets back to the Mobile Suit. So it's actually endless no matter how much Energy used. It's like Nuclear Fission and Fusion at the same time. So Energy used will be converted back instantly to the supply. And with Regards to the Dragoon system, I'm not quite sure. But Kira did actually used it in space where there is no gravity. And with regards to the Beam sabers, they actually have weak sabers in the C.R. But what if Kira has access with the METEOR Unit? It can freaking cut anything, Though the MS will slow down, he can just dismantle it when not needed. Plus with the Full Burst mode, I simultaneously but only in a forward directions IF using Freedom. But with the Strike Freedom with the enhanced Dragoon System, he can now fire in all directions. He can also move freely with that. I personally do not know about Fin funnels exactly, but from what I read, it's quite similar cause it's used as the Dragoon System too. I think they operate the same. That Pilots can completely control is as they please.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed-destiny/zgmf-x20a.htm

It is indeed infinite in theory but if you are too trigger happy, the reactor cannot replenish the energy fast enough to cope and although just for a little while, the suit will lose power. About Athrun, yep I agree, he is more tolerable than Kira and is a better pilot in my opinion (never lost a battle when in Seed mode). Plus he never became retarded when his suit got an upgrade like Kira. It didn't even occur to Kira to destroy the Forbidden's beam reflectors with his beam sabers (which is exactly what Athrun did) and instead chose to spam beams again, pointlessly. There is a part of me that always thought that Athrun was holding back the whole time he was in Aegis fighting Kira.

I know the dragoons can be used in space, because there is no gravity. But what about at earth? If they do indeed follow the same concept as funnels, it cannot be used on earth or any place with gravity so it presents another problem if WZ and SF did fight on earth. Now with the METEOR, while it is true that the METEOR grants the SF an extraordinary boost in power, it does make it painfully slow and it makes the SF a big-ass target so the argument that Heero will never hit Kira with a fully charged TBR goes out the window. If Kira wants to last, he will stick with the more nimble SF and avoid docking with METEOR. And the funnels don't operate the same way the dragoons do. The funnels are controlled by thought so only newtypes can use them. Dragoons were developed so that non-newtypes who lack spatial awareness can use the funnel technology.

Thanks for the answering my question by the way  

He can use the Dragoons on earth. He uses them all the time. I think they're powered with their own engines.

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I just read the Dragoons weaknesses. It isn't designed for atmospheric flight so using it on earth would just waste energy. They can fly on earth but with the performance hindered to a large degree, using them would be quite pointless.

I'm not sure if they're heavier though, they do have their own batteries and they charge when they dock at SF

PuroKishi wrote:I'm not sure if they're heavier though, they do have their own batteries and they charge when they dock at SF

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/DRAGOON_system

Read the weakness section dood. I was right, they follow the funnel concept about gravity.

Squallgrieve wrote:

PuroKishi wrote:I'm not sure if they're heavier though, they do have their own batteries and they charge when they dock at SF

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/DRAGOON_system

Read the weakness section dood. I was right, they follow the funnel concept about gravity.

I forgot to read the last sentence. I skipped that part XD

I think he did use it one time, or it was the freedom(except no dragoons)

But i think that would only apply if they fight near the atmosphere? if they fought on ground I think it will still operate, though not as flawlessly when in space :3

i think even kira is in SEED mode and his reaction time has increased to its peak level heero on the other hand will decrease his reaction time due to effect of the system but still he has  an advantage here because of the zero system because what the system do is it acts to be an interactive interface between a human pilot and a Mobile Suit. so it means that The system computes the results of possible courses of action, and the pilot considers these and mentally feeds directions back to the system. What this means is that the pilot knows the result of his actions before he performs them. it means that the system is already gathering data to the abilities of SF meaning before kira strikes heero has already an idea of what his enemy will be his abilities the specs of the suit and its up to heero to plan on how he will deal with the enemy based on the data that the ZERO system has given to him and also the another advantage here is that the wing zero custom and heero yuy are like the NT-D mode of unicorn because of the ability of the system to  is its ability to offer physical stimulus back to the pilot, allowing him to feel the strain that the MS is undergoing. which allows the MS to become an extension of the pilot's thoughts and movements. and because heero is a strong willed he has the ability to use the system on wide scale

Strike Freedom!!!