Strike Freedom VS Wing Zero Custom

who come out on this one??

Strike freedom

Wing Zero as always.

Freedom is just a God-like because of the N-Jammer Canceller and has that big Meteor unit provide by the Eternal so it's very much unfair.

Wing Zero will win. Power source and Firepower are Freedom's only advantage. Zero and Heero will find a way to win.

deym. parehas ko paborito. xD
errr......dun nlng ako sa mas advantageous. Strike Freedom.

Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

Strike Freedom

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

i voted for SF only because it has cooler armaments than WZ. By analyzing the Gundam specs, SF could really win (e.g. Power Supply/Output, Weapons, Armor).
SF is designed for CQC, Mid-ranged and Long-ranged Combat. Surely the Twin Buster Rifle is OP but WZ is in stationary when firing so it's an easy target for DRAGOONS. also SF has a Beam Shield Rifle equipped on the back of both hands that can tank two shots of mega particle cannons from battleships. SF has Phase Shift armor that reduces the damage from solid ammos. Although PS armor can be depleted, it's still not an issue to the Hyper Deuterion Nuclear Reactor coz it supplies the unit with almost endless source of power. The Gandanium alloy of WZ is effective to beam spams of SF thus reducing the damage done. WZ has a ZERO system, a semi-ai system that aids the pilot in combat, predicting every moves of the enemy.

this is where WZ wins.
if only Kira was a better pilot, Heero would get his ass whooped by Kira. coz by experience and mental stability, Heero > Kira. Heero killed a little girl he helped, he regretted it but shown no emotions. Heero is crazy enough to jump off a high building and putting his dislocated shoulder back. While Kira has a Seed mode it is useful when piloting a mobile suit, its still useless against Heero in hand-to-hand combat. Kira being a coordinator doesn't mean his nearly equal to a newtype. Kira can't even handle Shinn and Rey at once in Seed/Destiny. Also Kira has No Kill policy while Heero do whatever it takes to win and is not hesitant.

i want to add more things but im lazy. lol.

IMO Seed and Seed/Destiny was hated because of these emotionally unstable protagonists. (Kira and Shinn)

grawl08 wrote:

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

i voted for SF only because it has cooler armaments than WZ. By analyzing the Gundam specs, SF could really win (e.g. Power Supply/Output, Weapons, Armor).
SF is designed for CQC, Mid-ranged and Long-ranged Combat. Surely the Twin Buster Rifle is OP but WZ is in stationary when firing so it's an easy target for DRAGOONS. also SF has a Beam Shield Rifle equipped on the back of both hands that can tank two shots of mega particle cannons from battleships. SF has Phase Shift armor that reduces the damage from solid ammos. Although PS armor can be depleted, it's still not an issue to the Hyper Deuterion Nuclear Reactor coz it supplies the unit with almost endless source of power. The Gandanium alloy of WZ is effective to beam spams of SF thus reducing the damage done. WZ has a ZERO system, a semi-ai system that aids the pilot in combat, predicting every moves of the enemy.

this is where WZ wins.
if only Kira was a better pilot, Heero would get his ass whooped by Kira. coz by experience and mental stability, Heero > Kira. Heero killed a little girl he helped, he regretted it but shown no emotions. Heero is crazy enough to jump off a high building and putting his dislocated shoulder back. While Kira has a Seed mode it is useful when piloting a mobile suit, its still useless against Heero in hand-to-hand combat. Kira being a coordinator doesn't mean his nearly equal to a newtype. Kira can't even handle Shinn and Rey at once in Seed/Destiny. Also Kira has No Kill policy while Heero do whatever it takes to win and is not hesitant.

i want to add more things but im lazy. lol.

IMO Seed and Seed/Destiny was hated because of these emotionally unstable protagonists. (Kira and Shinn)

This. Specs is is the only thing Strike Freedom has going for it. And I don't think Heero is stupid enough to fire a fully charged TBR on a moving target. He will use the TBR sparingly and go for close combat. And if Strike Freedom uses the dragoons, that is where the Zero system comes in. It can predict almost all outcomes of any scenario and supply the necessary information to the pilot so that he can achieve optimum results. The real problem lies with the ultracompact hyper deuterion nuclear reactor as WZ does not have the same endless supply of energy SF does so if Kira can stall long enough, he will win. Kinda makes me wonder what if Heero and Setsuna exchange suits. Heh, Heero is gonna stomp a*s.

no. dont let Heero use Qan[t] or 00 Raiser. it's overkill. xD

IMO Heero is still the best pilot.  

grawl08 wrote:no. dont let Heero use Qan[t] or 00 Raiser. it's overkill. xD

IMO Heero is still the best pilot.  

But I can dream right? It's just sad that wing never got a continuation like seed and 00. This is what most people keep forgetting. Heero is just 15 years old (16 at EW). Imagine what he could do in another season of wing. A new upgraded zero suit, quadruple buster rifles and replace those fugly gatlings mounted on its shoulders with something more current. But it never came so I'll just picture Heero in Quan[t] and replace veda with zero system  

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

freedom is still faster than zero even it is much heavier and larger but still zero is more durable thanks to the gundamium armor that it can witdthstand a certain amount of beams and also even wing zero has the zero system kira is not just an ultimate coordinator but also a newtype(it was shown in both final episodes of gundam seed and gundam seed destiny during his encounter with rau and rey) and also in terms of mobility freedom still has the advantage thanks to the HiMAT system and also zero is designed for mid to close range combat unlike strike freedom who is designed for an all out range combat

yondaime_minato wrote:

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

freedom is still faster than zero even it is much heavier and larger but still zero is more durable thanks to the gundamium armor that it can witdthstand a certain amount of beams and also even wing zero has the zero system kira is not just an ultimate coordinator but also a newtype(it was shown in both final episodes of gundam seed and gundam seed destiny during his encounter with rau and rey) and also in terms of mobility freedom still has the advantage thanks to the HiMAT system and also zero is designed for mid to close range combat unlike strike freedom who is designed for an all out range combat

Maybe WZC is faster, maybe SF is faster, we'll never know as there aren't enough feats from WZC to reference. But you have to take into account that WZC only weighs like what, 8 tons, compared to freedom's 80. And I said this before, being the ultimate coordinator doesn't mean you are a superhuman. You have increased reaction time, you are in peak form but that doesn't make you quite superhuman. Domon is a superhuman, Kira is not. About the newtype thing, I'm not sure. Mu and Rau were definitely newtypes but Kira only displays flashes of newtype abilities. Heero even displayed more astounding feats than Kira. Wiping out 30 Leos which use ranged weapons while Heero is on the same Leo but with melee weapons is no small feat. And what do you mean by mid to close range? What about the TBR? And Kira's beam spam won't do anything because of the gundanium alloy. You need about the size of Libra's cannon to put a dent on gundanium.

Squallgrieve wrote:

grawl08 wrote:no. dont let Heero use Qan[t] or 00 Raiser. it's overkill. xD

IMO Heero is still the best pilot.  

But I can dream right? It's just sad that wing never got a continuation like seed and 00. This is what most people keep forgetting. Heero is just 15 years old (16 at EW). Imagine what he could do in another season of wing. A new upgraded zero suit, quadruple buster rifles and replace those fugly gatlings mounted on its shoulders with something more current. But it never came so I'll just picture Heero in Quan[t] and replace veda with zero system  

i think they added that annoying vulcans to balance the power of WZ. xD
wait, Garrod Ran was also 15 when he piloted the Gundam X right? he's a pretty good pilot too. he was able to win against a cyber newtype. and he's also really clever. i also wish Gundam X had another season. xD

Squallgrieve wrote:

grawl08 wrote:no. dont let Heero use Qan[t] or 00 Raiser. it's overkill. xD

IMO Heero is still the best pilot.  

But I can dream right? It's just sad that wing never got a continuation like seed and 00. This is what most people keep forgetting. Heero is just 15 years old (16 at EW). Imagine what he could do in another season of wing. A new upgraded zero suit, quadruple buster rifles and replace those fugly gatlings mounted on its shoulders with something more current. But it never came so I'll just picture Heero in Quan[t] and replace veda with zero system  

i think they added that annoying vulcans to balance the power of WZ. xD
wait, Garrod Ran was also 15 when he piloted the Gundam X right? he's a pretty good pilot too. he was able to win against a cyber newtype. and he's also really clever. i also wish Gundam X had another season. xD

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:

Squallgrieve wrote:

yondaime_minato wrote:Strike Freedom even wing zero has zero system and has more durability than SF it can still be pawned because of the mobility and speed of SF plus the ability of the pilot who is an ultimate coordinator

I think Zero is faster. Check their weight, Freedom is the larger and the heavier of the two. And it was mentioned that the ultimate coordinator is just a normal human being on the peak of conditioning. Meaning nothing went wrong with the fetus, in the wing universe, Heero is a super soldier who survived the detonation of Wing Gundam. He also has Zero system to aid him in this battle. Plus we all know Kira became a retard once he gained Freedom. All beam spam no strategy. He's better with strike gundam compared to Freedom and Strike Freedom IMO

freedom is still faster than zero even it is much heavier and larger but still zero is more durable thanks to the gundamium armor that it can witdthstand a certain amount of beams and also even wing zero has the zero system kira is not just an ultimate coordinator but also a newtype(it was shown in both final episodes of gundam seed and gundam seed destiny during his encounter with rau and rey) and also in terms of mobility freedom still has the advantage thanks to the HiMAT system and also zero is designed for mid to close range combat unlike strike freedom who is designed for an all out range combat

Maybe WZC is faster, maybe SF is faster, we'll never know as there aren't enough feats from WZC to reference. But you have to take into account that WZC only weighs like what, 8 tons, compared to freedom's 80. And I said this before, being the ultimate coordinator doesn't mean you are a superhuman. You have increased reaction time, you are in peak form but that doesn't make you quite superhuman. Domon is a superhuman, Kira is not. About the newtype thing, I'm not sure. Mu and Rau were definitely newtypes but Kira only displays flashes of newtype abilities. Heero even displayed more astounding feats than Kira. Wiping out 30 Leos which use ranged weapons while Heero is on the same Leo but with melee weapons is no small feat. And what do you mean by mid to close range? What about the TBR? And Kira's beam spam won't do anything because of the gundanium alloy. You need about the size of Libra's cannon to put a dent on gundanium.

beam spam won't do anything?and kira is really a newtype as i said earlier gundamium alloy can only endure a certain amount of beams and also i think you are forgetting his ability to go to SEED mode which allows them to enter enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability and if you are talking about the wing binders of wing zero custom it only increases the mobility and as i can see the only thing wing zero will have a chance on owning SF is that it needs to go close combat since the TBR only reduces its mobility and speed making it outmatch against SF in long range and those vulcan cannons are useless due to VPS of SF

@Grawl
Yep, I also enjoyed Gundam X immensely. The final battle between Garrod and shagia was epic. And nabitin ako sa GarrodxTiffa XD

yondaime_minato wrote:
beam spam won't do anything?and kira is really a newtype as i said earlier gundamium alloy can only endure a certain amount of beams and also i think you are forgetting his ability to go to SEED mode which allows them to enter enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability and if you are talking about the wing binders of wing zero custom it only increases the mobility and as i can see the only thing wing zero will have a chance on owning SF is that it needs to go close combat since the TBR only reduces its mobility and speed making it outmatch against SF in long range and those vulcan cannons are useless due to VPS of SF

I didn't forget about SEED mode, I said they have enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human, that's it. That doesn't make one superhuman. Like I said, you're on the peak of conditioning via genetic splicing. It's kinda like you are Muhammad Ali but not Superman, get my drift? And being in Seed mode doesn't make Kira invincible. Kira was almost beaten by Rau and he was in Seed mode the whole time and Freedom is more advanced than Providence IIRC. Now in the few times Heero activated the Zero system (when the cockpit turns yellow with the constant ringing sound) he was never hit, not even once. Electronic Precognition beats SEED mode. And you seem to forget that Heero isn't an ordinary human as well. Doctor J manipulated Heero's genes so he isn't necessarily normal too.

About Kira being a newtype, I said I'm not sure because he only showed traits. His spatial awareness isn't at the level necessary to be considered a newtype. I think this is why the SF is equipped with DRAGOONS and not funnels because funnels are thought controlled which I believe Kira cannot accomplish. Hell, I don't even think Kira has the capacity to operate a Psychoframe MS. But if that is what passes for newtypes in the Cosmic Era then I'm sure Amuro would sleepwalk through Seed and Seed Destiny.

Now about WZ and SF. Gundanium can endure a certain amount of beam weapon damage assuming that the beam weapon being used is strong enough. Gundanium alloy is strong enough to resist a shot from the twin buster rifle. When Quatre fired one at Heero in the Mercurius, intending to destroy it and the colony, the Mercurius was merely blasted inside the colony. And it took two shots from the TBR to destroy the Vayette. The Virgo's beam weapons are as powerful as the Wing's Buster Rifle, yet repeated shots on Gundams had hardly any effect. The Wing's BR is more powerful than any MS weapon on the Cosmic Era timeline. And I still think WZ is faster. SF's wings of light is different from Destiny's. SF's wings of light is for travelling purposes (going in one fixed direction) so it is not applicable in battle. If it was really fast, it could just have easily speedblitzed Legend but that didn't happen. Or are we going to also credit that to Kira becoming a retard after acquiring Freedom? Heero once said that being emotional could prove deadly in the battlefield and SEED and SEED Destiny have the most pilot breakdowns I could remember so that too will play a factor in this one.

P.S.
I'm really enjoying this debate, thanks for keeping it classy

Squallgrieve wrote:@Grawl
Yep, I also enjoyed Gundam X immensely. The final battle between Garrod and shagia was epic. And nabitin ako sa GarrodxTiffa XD

yondaime_minato wrote:
beam spam won't do anything?and kira is really a newtype as i said earlier gundamium alloy can only endure a certain amount of beams and also i think you are forgetting his ability to go to SEED mode which allows them to enter enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability and if you are talking about the wing binders of wing zero custom it only increases the mobility and as i can see the only thing wing zero will have a chance on owning SF is that it needs to go close combat since the TBR only reduces its mobility and speed making it outmatch against SF in long range and those vulcan cannons are useless due to VPS of SF

I didn't forget about SEED mode, I said they have enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human, that's it. That doesn't make one superhuman. Like I said, you're on the peak of conditioning via genetic splicing. It's kinda like you are Muhammad Ali but not Superman, get my drift? And being in Seed mode doesn't make Kira invincible. Kira was almost beaten by Rau and he was in Seed mode the whole time and Freedom is more advanced than Providence IIRC. Now in the few times Heero activated the Zero system (when the cockpit turns yellow with the constant ringing sound) he was never hit, not even once. Electronic Precognition beats SEED mode. And you seem to forget that Heero isn't an ordinary human as well. Doctor J manipulated Heero's genes so he isn't necessarily normal too.

About Kira being a newtype, I said I'm not sure because he only showed traits. His spatial awareness isn't at the level necessary to be considered a newtype. I think this is why the SF is equipped with DRAGOONS and not funnels because funnels are thought controlled which I believe Kira cannot accomplish. Hell, I don't even think Kira has the capacity to operate a Psychoframe MS. But if that is what passes for newtypes in the Cosmic Era then I'm sure Amuro would sleepwalk through Seed and Seed Destiny.

Now about WZ and SF. Gundanium can endure a certain amount of beam weapon damage assuming that the beam weapon being used is strong enough. Gundanium alloy is strong enough to resist a shot from the twin buster rifle. When Quatre fired one at Heero in the Mercurius, intending to destroy it and the colony, the Mercurius was merely blasted inside the colony. And it took two shots from the TBR to destroy the Vayette. The Virgo's beam weapons are as powerful as the Wing's Buster Rifle, yet repeated shots on Gundams had hardly any effect. The Wing's BR is more powerful than any MS weapon on the Cosmic Era timeline. And I still think WZ is faster. SF's wings of light is different from Destiny's. SF's wings of light is for travelling purposes (going in one fixed direction) so it is not applicable in battle. If it was really fast, it could just have easily speedblitzed Legend but that didn't happen. Or are we going to also credit that to Kira becoming a retard after acquiring Freedom? Heero once said that being emotional could prove deadly in the battlefield and SEED and SEED Destiny have the most pilot breakdowns I could remember so that too will play a factor in this one.

P.S.
I'm really enjoying this debate, thanks for keeping it classy

the wings of light of SF is really designed for battle since it emits a mirage colloid gas like destiny well i admit that wing zero gundamium armor is really impressive because of its high endurance that even some people try to destroy it yet it remains untouchable(as we have seen in gundam wing where zechs is recovering zero while leaving his tallgeese away then some people put up a bomb on the mobile suit trying to destroy it) in terms of endurance and firepower i know wing zero has a chance but when it comes to mobility and speed can it really match the SF?since firing a TBR requires wing zero to have a fixed position while SF fire in any direction without needing to maintain a fixed position

yondaime_minato wrote:
the wings of light of SF is really designed for battle since it emits a mirage colloid gas like destiny well i admit that wing zero gundamium armor is really impressive because of its high endurance that even some people try to destroy it yet it remains untouchable(as we have seen in gundam wing where zechs is recovering zero while leaving his tallgeese away then some people put up a bomb on the mobile suit trying to destroy it) in terms of endurance and firepower i know wing zero has a chance but when it comes to mobility and speed can it really match the SF?since firing a TBR requires wing zero to have a fixed position while SF fire in any direction without needing to maintain a fixed position

I believe SF's WoL is more similar to Stargazer's than Destiny's. So if it can be used in battle, like you said, why didn't Kira use it against Legend which is a slow gundam? He could've finished the battle much easier if the difference in speed is so great instead of talking his way to a win. Now the WZC is made to be faster than the tallgeese which has speeds that are literally bone shattering. WZC only weighs 8 metric tons on empty so we can assume that if fully armed, the weight would reach about 15 metric tons max. Now do you remember the speed demon? Char's Zaku which can go 3x faster than a regular Zaku. Char's Zaku has thrusters which can reach 51600kg. Now, the WZC's vernian thrusters' maximum output is registered at 88150 kg (97.168 metric tons ) so you have to wonder how fast WZC really is. There is a reason why WZC is massively faster than SF in the ACE video game. It is literally one of the fastest gundams ever created while SF just looks like a severely downgraded Nu Gundam.

About the TBR. It can be fired in a non-stationary position although not fully charged because of the massive recoil. And it is easier to dodge small beams compared to the TBR's beam range which is the size of three mobile suits stacked together. Let's use a Virgo for example. The Virgo is listed at 16.3 meters. Multiply it by 3 and we have 48.9 meters excluding the active mega particles surrounding the beam. That is wide considering the Destroy gundam's Super Scylla is only at 13.5 meters. So even if you dodge it, the active mega particles will still do damage and seeing as the Serpents went down with only the active mega particles, it proves to be quite damaging as well. The only way to quickly disable WZC theoretically would be CQC but that is also quite unlikely as Heero is a highly accomplished melee fighter, able to go toe to toe with Zechs and he did this with Zechs on the Epyon (a melee monster) so again, I say WZC wins this.

P.S.
I may be wrong here but isn't SF also in a stationary position when using Full Burst?

SF has a chance too in winning only if Kira can prolong the battle. SF has almost endless source of power - Hyper Deuterion Nuclear Reactor. and its armaments can be recharged when docked. while WZC's power source is very limited. WZC's weapons also runs on internal power source, meaning TBR can also run out of juice, even his beam sabers too. but Heero will try to finish the fight faster.

i want to see if the fully charged TBR can be deflected by SF's dual beam shields.

grawl08 wrote:SF has a chance too in winning only if Kira can prolong the battle. SF has almost endless source of power - Hyper Deuterion Nuclear Reactor. and its armaments can be recharged when docked. while WZC's power source is very limited. WZC's weapons also runs on internal power source, meaning TBR can also run out of juice, even his beam sabers too. but Heero will try to finish the fight faster.

i want to see if the fully charged TBR can be deflected by SF's dual beam shields.

Yep, WZC's Ultracompact Fusion Reactor may sound cool but it has limited output, so if Kira can stall, he can win. But Shinn was able to analyze Kira's patterns so you have to think that Zero and Heero will do the same and try to win as soon as possible. About the deflection part, I highly doubt it. SF's shields are more durable than the anti-beam shields in the CE verse but even that would prove useless against the TBR, fully charged no less. It takes 2 or 3 quick shots from the TBR to destroy Gundanium covered suits, when fully charged however, it doesn't even need to hit, just the active mega particles around the beam destroys Mobile suits. Add the fact that Gundams in the CE verse need VPS just to enter the atmosphere just shows how large the gap is between armors.

Wing Zero. im a fan of Wing Zero hahaha

Squallgrieve wrote:@Grawl
Yep, I also enjoyed Gundam X immensely. The final battle between Garrod and shagia was epic. And nabitin ako sa GarrodxTiffa XD

yondaime_minato wrote:
beam spam won't do anything?and kira is really a newtype as i said earlier gundamium alloy can only endure a certain amount of beams and also i think you are forgetting his ability to go to SEED mode which allows them to enter enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability and if you are talking about the wing binders of wing zero custom it only increases the mobility and as i can see the only thing wing zero will have a chance on owning SF is that it needs to go close combat since the TBR only reduces its mobility and speed making it outmatch against SF in long range and those vulcan cannons are useless due to VPS of SF

I didn't forget about SEED mode, I said they have enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human, that's it. That doesn't make one superhuman.

So, based on your explanations and with regards to mine, Kira, a coordinator, who is genetically enhanced human being, which can have a number of enhanced traits including faster learning, and stronger and faster bodies that are virtually immune to diseases. And you're saying, he has enhanced reactions and can process information faster than a regular human. So in a sense, you can say he's obviously greater than a Human, so what do you call that? Superhuman

I don't mean no harm. That was just a joke XD

Back to Topic.

I'm practically Biased on this. SF for me XD

From my Gunpla, I like SF-FBM than my WGZ XD

I like cool weaponry though the TBR is quite a Badass, but I have a thing with Dragoons/Funnels so yeah :D

Kidding aside, with the Zero system, I think WGZ has an edge in dodging. But how about attacking? TBR? Vulcans? or Beam Sabers? If Kira is in SEED Mode, he can easily dodge attacks also. With the help of his dragoons, he can fire endlessly. Though it's practically the same with the TBR. Both armaments are deadly. So I think the turning point of the match is the Battle Length itself. With SF's Hyper-Deuterion Nuclear Reactor, it can fly endlessly throughout space. Plus we know the ZERO system can have some side effects too. If WGZ can manage to Pawn SF before he runs out of juice then great. But if not. ....