JESUS Christ, et al. gods "did not" exist

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“I don't know what GOD is, but I know what is NOT”

I was an ATHEIST (we are all atheist) since I was born until I was baptized in my infancy and injected with the idea of God, sin, and hell in my premature age. It's a mere fact obviously that most of believers never dare to question this idea in the first place before letting them be baptized. Even our ancestors never question to be baptized under Christianity. Of course so do with us, how can we question if we were baptized when we were still babies. It would be hard for us to question what we had used to believe already. It would be hard for us to turn our backs from myths even if it contradict the facts. Most religious person are too scared to question religion. They just want to stay it right there whether it is true or false.



[color="Sienna"][SIZE="2"]IF WE CANNOT DETERMINE THE TRUE RELIGION, HOW CAN WE DETERMINE THE TRUE GOD?
IF YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS AND OTHER GODS EXIST BEYOND ANY DOUBT, YOU ARE VERY MUCH WELCOME TO COMMENT.

[SIZE="3"]Halimbawa lang po KASO sa korte ang existence ni Jesus Christ at makukulong siya kung mapatunayan nating nag-EXIST siya:[/SIZE]
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Republic of the Philippines
SUPREME COURT
Anywhere

EN BANC

Anytime
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G.R. No. 123456

PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES, Appellee,
vs.
JESUS CHRIST, et al., Appellant.
[Accused Case: EXIST]

D E C I S I O N

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Anonymous:

Brief Background

Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.

PROSECUTOR (believers)

The most "authoritative" accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. The material which refers to Jesus includes the books of the New Testament, statements from the early Church Fathers, hypothetical or reconstructed sources which many biblical scholars argue lie behind the Synoptic Gospels (the so-called Q source), brief references in histories produced decades or centuries later by pagan and Jewish sources[11] such as Josephus, gnostic and other apocryphal documents, and early Christian creeds.[12]

DEFENDANT (non-believers)

Marami po ang hindi nakaka-alam na ang GOSPEL in its original copy ay ANONYMOUS po ito. Ibig sabihin, wala talagang nakasulat doon na si matthew, mark, luke or john ang sumulat nito.

-The Gospels are ALL ANONYMOUS, written in the third person about Jesus and his companions. None of them contains a 1st-person narrative Ex.("[SIZE="2"][B]Jesus and I went up the hill and fetch a pail of water...[/SIZE]")
-The Gospels have NO written claims to be authored by the evangelist (an eyewitness or companion of an eyewitness)
-The Gospel was written about several decades from the said life of christ by a relatively well-educated Greeks.
-If Jesus really existed, there would be a lot of records of him all over the place kasi dapat sikat siya eh. Biruin mo nakalakad sa tubig, ginawang alak ang tubig, bumuhay ng patay at iba pa.
-If he had witnesses, how come kahit isa wala man lang sumulpot o nakapagsulat tungkol sa kanya noong panahon nya?
-There were a lot of historians who could have mentioned Jesus if he really existed, but as I have said, WALA.
-There is a serious lack of detail about the life of Jesus in the Epistles of Paul and the rest of it.
-Even archeology at scholars wala silang makitang original na ebidensya tungkol kay jesus.
-Historians they often referred to wrote just a few sentences and was written several decades after his assumed life. Ibig sabihin hindi talaga sila witnesses ang source ay hearsay lang.
-They can't even prove that the apostles died as martyrs who proclaim the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Ito kasi ang ginawang batayan ng mga defenders as an evidence that they really saw that jesus was resurrected.
-If Jesus raised from the dead how come he was not arrested again,be questioned or be well-known to the public for his GLORIOUS MAGIC?

Resurrection and ascension could be the breakthrough of mankind! This could be accepted by science noon pa sana! It could justify myths about resurrection and his magics.
It could be the biggest event that prove Jesus was indeed God. But why was it so confidential? saan na ang mga witness neto??
Why coud he not make it for all eyes to see lalo na sa mga unbelievers? Bakit antagal na bago lumabas ang Gospels at breaking news?
Can we call that a news if all the details are written several decades later? How can a diary be so accurate words for words if it was written several years after?
Is this an indication that the witnesses and the whole story of Jesus was a "MYTH"?

If he is God, then why couldn't he able to make us all not doubt? The bible wisely states that "John 20:23 - blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." - is a pure indication mga kapatid na maniwala NA LANG tayo at wag ng magtanong. It clearly encouraged us not to seek the truth. At since dumadaloy na sa ating ugat ang pinaniniwalaan natin, we never care whether it was true or not. Basta ang importante para sayo ay ang mga tinuturo nito. But did you happen to realize if tama ba talaga ang mga sinasabe sa biblia? If the bible itself was a lie, how can we believe the rest of its story?

CONCLUSION

In justice, what is important is, not whether the court entertains doubts about the innocence (non-existence) of the accused since an open mind is willing to explore all possibilities, but whether it entertains a reasonable, lingering doubt as to his guilt (existence). For, it would be a serious mistake to send an innocent man to jail where such kind of doubt hangs on to one’s inner being, like a piece of meat lodged immovable between teeth.

Will we send Jesus Christ to spend the rest of his life in prison with such an overwhelming lack of evidences and witnesses of his existence?

WHEREFORE, the Court hereby ACQUITS accused-appellant of the crime of which he was charged for failure of the believers to prove his "existence" beyond reasonable doubt.

SO ORDERED.

ANYBODY
Associate Justice

WE CONCUR:

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Ito po ang mga bagay na mababasa natin sa biblia:











[SIZE="3"]It is not impossible that Christianity simply was the most successful of all times at selling it's story...[/SIZE]
Catholism has various of new invented doctrines which are contrary to the bible itself, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism.
In fact, some scholars have found that 75% of the rites and ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church are of pagan origin.
Even Cardinal Newman (1801-1890)admits that temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, images... are all of pagan origin.
(The Development of the Christian Religion, Page 359)

Roman Catholic claimed that Jesus was the founder of the religion and that Peter was the first pope.
However, there is no evidence that Peter was the first Pope nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years.

Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome".

It was obvious that the fraud of Roman Catholic originated here. Thus, adding to the clarity that Jesus was never their founder who clearly emphasize to do the sign of the cross, use wax candles, veneration of the dead, purgatory, Papacy and etc,.

[SIZE="2"]It has served us well, this MYTH OF CHRIST.
-Pope Leo X[/SIZE]

Look closely the literary similarities between the Christian religion and Egyptian religion that was established long before christianity and judaism.

The Old Testament had actually several similarities to the other pagan stories Before the bible was written.
Examples are Noah's Arc = The Epic of Gilgamesh 2600BC
Moses's Birth (baby in a basket) = Sargon's Birth 2250BC
Moses's Law from a mountain = Manou of India, Mianos of Crete, Mises of Egypt
The Egyptian religion is likely the foundation or basis for the Judaism and Christian Theology.

[SIZE="4"]Is there any non-biblical historical evidence of any person living with the name Jesus the son of Mary,
who travelled about with 12 followers, healing people and the like?[/SIZE]

[SIZE="2"]Above are the numerous historians who lived in and around the Mediterranean in or during or sooner after the assumed life of Jesus.
How many of these historians document this figure? Not one.

You think that a guy who rose from the dead and ascended into heaven for all eyes to see, and performed the wealth of miracles acclaimed him wouldn't have made it in historical record?

It didn't because once the evidence is weighed there are very high odds that the figure known as Jesus did not even exist.[/SIZE]

However to be fair, that doesn't mean that "defenders" of the historical Jesus haven't claim the contrary.
Four historians are typically referenced to justify Jesus' existence:



are the first three. Each one of their entries consist of only a few sentences referred to "Chrestus/Christ" which in fact is not a name but a title which means "the Anointed one".



The 4th source is Josephus. And this source has been proven forged by some christians hundreds of years.

ALL of the above historians were born several decades from the assumed life of Jesus and are not considered as eyewitness accounts

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[COLOR="Red"]Belief cannot produce historical fact, and claims that come from nothing but hearsay do not amount to an honest attempt to get at the facts. Even with eyewitness accounts we must tread carefully. Simply because someone makes a claim, does not mean it represents reality. [URL="http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm"]http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm[/URL]
HINDI MASAMA ANG ALAMIN ANG KATOTOHANAN.. BUKSAN LANG PO NATIN ANG ATING ISIPAN AT IPAKITA NA MARUNONG TAYO KUMILATIS NG KATOTOHANAN...

Lately , I'm just starting to think that Jesus's resurrection is NOT a miracle , He is wrapped in a clothe right ? What if it's just an evolution phase of those advanced humans ? And Jesus is just another Advanced Human in that time whose role is to manipulate our minds into believing that there's a God .. An he became successful ?

Zero wrote:Lately , I'm just starting to think that Jesus's resurrection is NOT a miracle , He is wrapped in a clothe right ? What if it's just an evolution phase of those advanced humans ? And Jesus is just another Advanced Human in that time whose role is to manipulate our minds into believing that there's a God .. An he became successful ?

You got to be kidding me.

Zero wrote:Lately , I'm just starting to think that Jesus's resurrection is NOT a miracle , He is wrapped in a clothe right ? What if it's just an evolution phase of those advanced humans ? And Jesus is just another Advanced Human in that time whose role is to manipulate our minds into believing that there's a God .. An he became successful ?

That would be an awesome plot for a story. And a sci-fi one at that! You're imagination is really all over the place.
:D

And what if he is really successful ?? And he made us think that GODS really exist , and what if those advanced humans evolved and became what we call now .. tha ALIENS .. What if those aliens don't have OXYGEN because their own planet has been destroyed due to Global Warming and Climate change on their planet ( Well , this might happen to our planet and can cause our race to evolve in order to adapt with the changes of our environment ) and they've evolved to those Aliens !? And thos UFOs humans see are those Advance Humans ( Aliens ) observing our planet to know what is happening to their race that they left on this planet ? :3

~Well , Can I now make my own Theory ? xD

tl;dr, God/s do exist and im the ONLY PROOF.

@TS(threadstarter)

IMO, what youre doing here is OH so wrong.
you are casting doubts upon anyone that is or will be reading this.
you are SO imposing your belief on them.
Its good that you presented facts, but still this is not the right way
to talk about this type of issue.
I hope you know that youre tackling a sensitive issue since you posted
this already on symbianize as you said.
then you must have gotten offensive replies, because naturally that is
how they will react.
I suggest that its better if you let them wonder.
give them choice at least.
It would be better if you titled it simply.. "Does God Exist?"
Its much "friendlIER"
If Im an Admin of this site, I would delete/lock this thread right away.
btw, Im an Agnostic Atheist.
and nice to meet you.

WARNING!
It may offend others opinion


It just look like an excuse to the atheist, i know some people that are atheist, some of them are good in explaining and i notice something to them if you know what i mean. It just you have your own idea and we believe in what we believe in the explanation above there are lots of idea or maybe facts that jesus is not true but is there a reason to be argue with this? or just to catch attention. for me atheist are lazy to believe of what others believe. I hope you know what i mean. i hope this will not escalate anymore. i hope i didnt offend some1 here. just stating my own opinion if you dont like it well it your choice, i think your smart enough to balance everthing..

john nowen wrote: WARNING!
It may offend others opinion


It just look like an excuse to the atheist, i know some people that are atheist, some of them are good in explaining and i notice something to them if you know what i mean. It just you have your own idea and we believe in what we believe in the explanation above there are lots of idea or maybe facts that jesus is not true but is there a reason to be argue with this? or just to catch attention. for me atheist are lazy to believe of what others believe. I hope you know what i mean. i hope this will not escalate anymore. i hope i didnt offend some1 here. just stating my own opinion if you dont like it well it your choice, i think your smart enough to balance everthing..

I do respect your opinion
everyone of us has the right to express their opinions.
In this case, the Threadstarter gave an issue to be discussed with,
To catch attention? maybe.. Or he/she just simply want to share what he/she knows.

Hello???? Are you forgotten Pedos who worship perverts?

I am an atheist (was a christian) and I don't force my ideals into people's throats.

If GOD is true and is truly a "loving" God he would not punish people for having the benefit of the doubt; which makes us humane.

note : quoted word is from the Bible

As for me, , , i just live my life the way i think is right: Do no harm unto anyone/anything. . . that's it. . .

People have the ability to think. . . and not everyone thinks in the same way. . . What's sad is that people tend to think that they are right and they need to make everyone agree with them. . .

I wouldn't say I am an atheist. . . I would be more of an agnostic. . . Why? Because I don't believe in anything absolute. . . I don't believe in "facts". . . Facts leave no room for "possibilities". If people were to stick to facts, then civilization would be just the way it is from way back then. . . there would be no advancement. . .

wow-

Religion is the Opium of the people..Karl Marx..

What I believe, in karma, in every act we do there will always be an equal impact..

We are free to do the things that we want to do but we should always think of the outcome / circumstances.. Do what is good..don't do what is bad..or pick the lesser evil..

I'm an atheist also and my opinion the people in the past create "God" to create a chain that can hold their followers. Good and bad are illusions to justify the doings of people.

Just like what other said "Different Religions,Different Beliefs"

hi

sa lahat po ng nand2

let me explain to u why religion is important.

kung wala po tayung pinapaniwalaan, lahat tau ay titigil.

scientist invent bcuz they have questions,
we discover bcuz we are curious ,
we leave bcuz jesus told us so.

its not important kung totoo man o hindi

ang importante, ung teaching ni jesus kung pano maging tao,
kung pano mabuhay, kung ano ang buhay

Thomas Edison believed he could make the light bulb even he failed 2000x.

its all about belief, its not about who exist .

sa akin lang po di naman sa naniniwala ako ng diyos pero sakin nag exist ba sya or hindi kasi di mo natin alam kung sino gumawa satin at ng diyos
ito pa kung ginawa man ang diyos sino rin po ba ang gumawa sa nag gawa? ALIEN? ARE F*CKING KIDDING ME? GOD DID not exist cguro?
Marami pung pananaw sa buhay kaso yung paniniwala nila na meron dun narin po ako kasi sabi nga naman yung ang paniniwala ng nakaraan nga lang...
KUNG DI NYO PO TALGA NA GETS ITO PO MAS MADALING PARAAN:
kung nabubuhay ang tao sino gumawa ng parte nito? tulad ng utak bakit buo? nag fufunction etc ribs hips leg bone bakit po ba buo sila? question narin kung pede paki sagot pero di natin alam kung bakit buo diba su ano sa tingin nyo may diyos ba na nag exist sa ngayun si christ rin? diba tao rin naman.
specified natin yan

dumating pa nga sa pagkakataon ng mga sinaunang tao ay sinamba ang apoy pero nung nahawakan ung apoy, napaso sila..

*ifyouknowwhatimean